CLS E trim behavior with X Plane 11

[jovabra]

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[gian19]

Hi John,

thank you for posting these pics. In Zibo, I do have the same setup.
I am more interested in looking at your CLS2SIM settings. And Yes, it is a Brunner restriction that allows to download only profiles related to the hardware you own.

Cheers,
Gianfranco

[othello]

Hello,

I had a hard time to get the clearance from the family for the CLS E Yoke.
Since some weeks I’m try to get experienced with this yoke,
but with my first choice airplane, the King Air from Airfoillabs, I can’t really enjoy the yoke.

1) There is no possibility to use use the yokes buttons to call X-Planes commands running Windows 10 1903
2) Trimming behaviour is the most disappointing thing
3) Autopilot is problematic

Details

1) Using Win 10 1903 the drive vJoy doesn’t work anymore and there is not SW from Brunner to fill the gap

2) The described procedure for trimming an X-Plane ship doesn’t work with the 350 from AFL.
Best I’m able to get is not changing the aircraftfile and selecting “Trim compensation = ON”,
but it feels like the yoke will move during trimming.

3) Flying at a speed of estimated 230kt IAS or faster without using the AP, and at that higher speed
engaging the AP, a hard reaction results leading to an again disconnected AP, the only solutions are
reducing speed before connecting the AP or slow down the trim speed.
But slowing down the trim speed leads to way to slow trimming.

Disconnecting the AP leads to an hard nose up.

I’m sure time will tell how to solve, but for the moment I’m not really happy with that yoke.

/Othello

[webmaximus]

For nr 2 and 3, try to disabled hardware trim in CLS2Sim if you have that enabled and instead map ‘Pitch trim up’ and ‘Pitch trim down’ in X-Plane to the left thumb buttons (up and down) on the yoke.

That’s how I have it set for the Zibo mod and seems to work OK in my opinion.

For nr 1, only the guys over at Brunner can advice how to tackle that one. I’m happy I have Win 10 Pro meaning I was able to disable feature updates meaning I’m still on 1809. But as someone else commented, that of course is not a solution to the problem. Only a temp work-around for people with Win 10 Pro.

[othello]

2) HW trim is/was disabled

and 1) does not allow to use X-Plane commands

The worst thing – number 3 – I got fixed by enabling “don’t set pos in AP mode” also.

So I have a configuration I can fly with.

[jovabra]

Hi Othello,
Did you follow the Airfoilabs KingAir forum on x-plane.org?
Succes

[othello]

Yes, I do, my nickname is Mauldasch

[othello]

I have one more question.

Problem:
pressing the trim button for a longer time (2-3 seconds, repeat mode) it feels like a lot of trim commands will be cumulated an then take an effect as one big trim command, that feels very cloggy and anreal.
In other words, holding the trim button down does not trim continuous, but in big jumps.

Question:
Is there a possibility to smooth the trim when holding down the trim button?

/Othello

[captainmd]

Hi Richard,

I’m having the same problem as othello when it comes to autopilot disconnect. I’m going to try his enabling “don’t set pos in AP mode”

Regarding mapping the CLS-E trim buttons to X-Plane. You found a way to do that? I thought only Vjoy which only interfaces with CLS2SIM can be used.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Thanks
Massimo

[jovabra]

Hi all,
I’m not Richard but i follow this discussion.

1. My i ask you wich aircraft are you talking about. The ZIBO 737-800 or KingAir-AIRFOILlabs or…..
2. Wich version of X-plane 11….and or ZIBO 737-800
3. Wich version of the CLS2sim version
4. Did you update the vJoy software. It is available and you can install it without “dirty tricks”
5. If whe have all have the same versions etc it is a lot easier.
Regards and success
John v Braam

[webmaximus]

Hello Massimo,

As John says, important to know the exact conditions when you experience issues. Especially what aircraft you’re flying. I do all my flying in the Zibo mod. So that’s the only aircraft I know anything about when it comes to making it work with the Brunner yoke.

The issue I still have with the AP disconnecting is when having the option set in the Zibo EFB to have the AP disconnect (or go to CWS) if the yoke is manually overpowered. I have presented both to Diego at Brunner and Lubos (Zibo) what I think would be an easy solution to that issue. Problem is both Diego and Lubos are both very busy. So for now, I just keep that option disabled in the Zibo EFB.

As for trim and how to map pitch trim up/down to the Brunner yoke, it’s very easy. When you have vJoy installed, you will find a device in X-Plane called vJoy. Simply pick that one and you will then see the different buttons on your yoke in X-Plane when you press them. Pick the button(s) you like and then the command you want to map. In my case, I’m using the rocker button on the left side for pitch trim up/down.

Here’s a screenshot what it looks over here.

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