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Bump this. Now FS4 is out will Brunner CLS support it?
Aerofly is possibly the best for VR and aerobatics. There is a company in Poland developing a control loading solution for Aerofly FS4 (initially for Extra 330 LX aircraft).
This could take market share from Brunner if they won’t support Aerofly.No reply so far to this thread so I will bump it again.
2022 could be the year VR really comes of age for flight simulation. We already have new headsets such as Varjo Aero and VRgineers XTAL 3. Pimax are working on a 12K QLED headset with new technology lenses. Of all the simulator platforms Aerofly FS2 is perhaps the best optimized for VR and may give the smoothest performance with the new and future headsets. Yet Aerofly FS2 so far lacks a control loading solution. Perhaps now is the time for Brunner to re consider support for Aerofly FS2.
Just want to bump this thread to see if Brunner will re consider support for Aerofly FS2. I still have no available control loading solution for a simulator with the VR performance and aerobatic flight model that Aerofly FS2 can offer.
Has anybody used Airfoillabs Cessna 172 with Brunner yoke? This is a trim tab aircraft but if you open it in plane maker “elevator trim surface down then up” is already set to zero. Therefore I presume the trim effects for passive spring center yoke is coded in a way that bypasses plane maker. In this case I don’t know if it could work correctly with the Brunner yoke.
I think it depends on whether the aircraft has trim tab or stab trim.
Most light GA types have trim tabs. For these types “elevator trim surface down then up” would need to be reset to zero
Commercial jets and Piper Cubs have stab trim. For these types “elevator trim surface down then up” should already be zero.For trim tab aircraft, the position of the elevator control when in trim varies with airspeed.
For stab trim aircraft the elevator control moves to center when in trim.We need a simulator for aerobatics with VR headset. Having assessed all the simulator platforms for this project we have concluded that Aerofly FS2 is the most suitable: best flight physics for aerobatic aircraft and good VR performance. Given the wide range of air speeds during aerobatic maneuvers, dynamic control loading is essential. We would have liked CLS-P joystick if Brunner supported Aerofly. We have been in contact with another company which may provide a control loading solution for Aerofly FS2, but outcome remains to be seen.
Flight simulators ltd from Norfolk had a Brunner yoke at the RAF Cosford show but it was not connected to a working sim so visitors could not try it out. A missed opportunity for Brunner marketing.
The design code (CS25) requires a minimum stick force of 222 Newtons to maximum load factor, so neither will replicate the full maneuver envelope for a large aircraft. Also the pitch travel on a Boeing yoke is greater than either. Nevertheless I think the CLS-E would cover most normal flight.
Just read the specs for the new CLS-E Mk II. Compared to the NG, the Mk II costs 58% more but gives 78% more travel and 175% more force. Seems good value to me.
Hi,
I just noticed this thread. Have you resolved the issue of getting the force scaling to respond correctly to IAS or dynamic pressure? I am familiar with all the r air data equations as I teach this subject. I would be happy to help if needed.
Thank you for your reply.
I am planning to build a training device for an aerobatic training school using the HTC vive pro VR display. Ideally, I would also like to fit Brunner CLS joystick and rudder.
I was hoping that the instructor could record demonstration manoeuvres and then the student could replay the manoeuvres with the controls moving so he can “follow through” the movement. From your reply it seems that this is not possible. I think this would be a useful ability in many training scenarios. Might it be possible in the future?
Our planned device ideally requires a centre mounted joystick with about 33 cm control column. For this purpose your CLS-E joystick does not have sufficient torque. Your CLS-P Joystick would be suitable. You have quoted a price of 7,500 euros for the CLS-P joystick. My boss is reluctant to pay this much and I need to convince him the training value will justify the price. The more training value the CLS can provide the more likely I will be able to convince my boss to purchase your products.
Kind regards,
Piers
