[captainmd]

Thank you Stefan for the re-assurance.

[captainmd]

Hello,

I am trying to understand this. I bought my CLS-E yoke back on May 2019. Is Brunner saying that my less than one year old yoke limited access to CLS2SIM upgrades?

If this is the case, when is the Brunner’s definite cutoff date for CLS2SIM upgrades for CLS-E devices? I thought these products had lifetime functionality support.

Also, is there another way to upgrade the license? I don’t feel comfortable leaving my machine with open 24 hour access in today’s world.

Sorry to sound like a pain in the a$$ here, but for some of us, this yoke is not regular play dollars.

Please advise.

[captainmd]

Hi Richard,

I’m having the same problem as othello when it comes to autopilot disconnect. I’m going to try his enabling “don’t set pos in AP mode”

Regarding mapping the CLS-E trim buttons to X-Plane. You found a way to do that? I thought only Vjoy which only interfaces with CLS2SIM can be used.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Thanks
Massimo

[captainmd]

Hi Richard, just curious as to how you were able to freeze the v1903 update only. The way I understand it, Windows will eventually shove this update into your PC whether one likes it or not.

[captainmd]

Hi All,

I should probably have clarified. I’m using the Carenado Baron 58 with the BRUNNER BARON 58 PROFILE by Stefan. although, I do have the same problem with the X Plane Baron. What I can say for sure is that this swing problem with my Carenado Baron 58 started when I replaced my old Saitek yoke with the CLS E. What Diego says above makes perfect sense but when I try to correct this swing with my rudder pedals, the swaying back and forth amplifies to the point where I lose control of my aircraft.

Derryuk, I think X Plane has an issue where the ground handling characteristics are at the edge of keeping the aircraft on a stable path during takeoff and landing. Meaning, if we use simple non-noisy stock yokes and rudder pedals, we should do fine. But not that we introduce the CLS E which is fantastic, I have a hunch that the nature of the CLS2SIM software injecting forces disturbs the stability of the X Plane ground handling to aircraft relationship. That is why I had to modify the actual aircraft file in plane maker. I modified the wheel coefficient and made the nose gear radius just a bit wider to help with stability. After this, I was able to take off with direct runway winds of 16 kts gusting 23 with minor back and forth veering which I think is correct based on real world Baron videos on Youtube.

[captainmd]

Hello derryuk. I’m another user on the X Plane forum “FO Massimo” and I have reported the same problem with the Baron 58. After multiple CLS2SIM tweaks, I could not get a reasonable centerline takeoff going. Even with 6 kts. direct headwind on take off, I’m going left and right on the centerline. No way with 6 kts direct headwind.

I finally had to go into the Baron 58 .acf file and adjust a few settings on the landing gear wheels (per a Carenado developers recommendation) and I made this issue go away. It was my last resort as I was not able to ascertain guidance elsewhere.

Send me PM if you’re interested in this last resort mod.

Massimo

[captainmd]

Edit: I setup my X Plane aircraft last night for “realitic” trim as shown by Diego’s video. I figured let me modify each of the ones I fly then see how they respond and then fine tune one at a time.

The Baron 58 seems to work but I still have a hard yoke retreat upon touch down. I cannot hold the yoke in place without me feeling like I’m stressing out the yoke motors.

The Premier 1A which is a very light jet category aircraft trim works using the realistic trim procedure BUT this method has disabled my Vertical Speed VS function on the autopilot. The VS mode on this aircraft is critical and the aircraft cannot be automated without it. Any thoughts as to why zeroing out the aileron and elevator trim settings in Plane Maker would cause this? Is there a counter remedy to this in CLS2SIM?

The King Air 350 works, but the yoke retreat is also strong.

This yoke retreat that happens, is this what it is really like? The elevator weight just takes over and collapses as speed dwindles away?

X Plane’s ground handling of aircraft is notoriously inaccurate by design. There are many complaints about that on the internet and goes well beyond simple rudder inputs to keep aircraft aligned on the runway. I more than welcome true realism which this yoke creates but I think there are the critical limitations like autopilot commands and ground physics that stifle this yokes complete ability.

What are your thoughts?
Massimo

[captainmd]

Thank you Stefan and Diego for the guidance. I just need some cleification regarding this information. I use X Plane as a sim. Are we saying that

Step 1
Whichever aircraft I use, it is best if I make a copy of that aircraft, open it in plane maker and adjust the aileron and elevator parameters to zero first.

Step 2
After completing step 1, use CLS2Sim to make additional trim adjustments based on the features of the link Stefan provided?

OR do you mean choose either Step 1 or Step 2 to configure the trim appropriately?

Thanks you for your help!
Massimo

[captainmd]

You’re absolutely right Richard. I need to pause and take about fifteen steps backwards. My expectations are unrealistic in the sense of me expecting the yoke to work precisely with each of my aircraft. I need to invest the time and perform some experimentation. It’s like modifying a stock BMW M3 with the works and expecting it to win the race without performing tweaks and tests.

I’m going to start with the King Air. I’m going to take note of all the environmental and airport specifics. It will take a while but I have to stop acting like a kid who just woke up on Christmas morning and didn’t get what he wanted 😉

I’ll report back when I have more backup data.

Massimo

[captainmd]

Just went into the Trim tab of the CLS profile manager. The “Use hardware trim” option IS NOT checked.

[captainmd]

Thanks Richard,

I’ll check that hardware trim suggestion out. I’ll also see what Stefan and Diego suggest as well.

Apologies everyone for all my spelling errors above. I typed it from my iPhone in a rush and I’m not sure how to edit my posts once I submit them.

[captainmd]

Hello Richard!

Glad you’re here. I’ll relly back to your X Plane forum message soon!

[captainmd]

Also,
I wanted to add another point. When using any autopilot function regardless of the aircraft, my CLS E decides to adjust the trim on its own after I disconnect the autopilot. Why? I can be on a beautiful 3 degree ILS glide approach where everything is perfect, speed, glide path, etc. As soon as I hit my minimums and I switch off the autopilot to take complete command of my aircraft, the yoke decides to add its own trim values which desteots my stabilized approach.l causing me to initiate an instant Go Around.

The main take away here is that when I disengage the autopilot, the yoke or yoke aoftware should not even touch the trim. It should leave the trim setting where it so I can finish off the stabilized approach but that does not happen.

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