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looks like you nailed it Richard.
Funny thing, I had the pitch flagged and I unflagged when I was troubleshooting. It did not occur to me to go back and flag both of them.Thank you for sharing it.
GfI have seen some little improvement with version .20.
However, I believe the culprit is the way xplane communicate with the yoke. Before, I could see the air plane yoke and the Brunner hardware would move simultaneously. Now, I notice some delay where Brunner try to catch up the movement of the zibo yoke.
This phase shift between the 2 yoke is causing the problem, in my opinion. You won’t notice this issue on route that don’t have massive left and right banks especially at lower speed. The problem is more visible when massive swings occur.
It could also been caused by the recent update that Zibo implemented to the A/P making it more sensitive to joystick pressure. In fact, if you use the more realistic option, you cannot engage the A/P unless you are fully trimmed and aligned with the FD without any pressure on the yoke. I want to make a test flight using the less realistic option to see if the problem is still there. Though, I haven’t figured out yet where is this option on the EFB.I am not sure I can see your profile because we may have a different yoke model.
I own the CLS-E NG. Have you got the same?@Jovabra: Can you share what changes you made on the CLS2sim software? I just tested the latest Zibo version and it is not working for me.
I can confirm that 3.40.16 has the problem. I also saw today the release of .18 but haven’t been able to test.
I will download it tomorrow. Good to know that your are in contact with Zibo. At least we know that you got his attention to this matter.Tks.
Hi John,
thank you for posting these pics. In Zibo, I do have the same setup.
I am more interested in looking at your CLS2SIM settings. And Yes, it is a Brunner restriction that allows to download only profiles related to the hardware you own.Cheers,
GianfrancoHi John,
I found a decent balance with my Zibo settings but I am a bit curious to test yours. Could you post screenshots of your Zibo profile? Unfortunately, I use the other version of the youke and it does not let me download your profile from the cloud.
Thanks,
GianfrancoI can try to upload my profile onto the cloud but bear in mind that I own the CLS-E version of the yoke (the cheapest version).
When my pilot friend tested the yoke, I was using at that time a profile I downloaded from the cloud. He just told me that the forces applied were too heavy and that the real thing is much lighter in terms of pulling and banking. He gave me an idea of what the forces should be, so using the set up guide I received from Stefan @ Brunner, I started tweaking until I found the feeling that satisfied me. Honestly, I don’t remember by heart all the changes I made but when I found some time I will try to also screen shot all my CLS configuration windows and made them available. I am not sure I can upload them in this forum.Gianfranco
Hi all,
I haven’t noticed any particular strange behaviour, i.e. the oscillations that Jovabra experiences. My yoke is quite smooth inside and outside the cockpit. Outside, the Brunner, just some vibrations because I prefered to activate the Motor Vibs with a 5% force just not to fall asleep while flying 🙂
I used my own profile because I found those available not realistic. That said because i had a real pilot tested a couple and he said that the forces that you have to apply to the yoke of the B767 and the A330 (he flew the first and now he’s in the second) are way much less accentuated than those he tested.
I also use the latest XP and Zibo version available. For control sensitivity settings, i confirm what Diego explained earlier. I had them set with the values somebody in the Zibo forum shared but now I see that they are completely different. My control response were all set to 100 and Stab augmentation to 0. Now they have different values. Fine by me as long as the aircraft is stable. The yoke movement follows the A/P when it’s connected. I see the banks much more accentuated than the pitches, I guess before it’s the trim that’s doing most of the job.Everything is fine, but I must say that I only did a very short flight yesterday because I was anxious to test the news.
Hope this helps. Webmaximus give it a try whenever you can and let me know your results.Gianfranco
Diego,
thank you very much for the efforts and for standing behind your products in front of the community needs.
Today, I downloaded the beta software and gave it a try. First impressions are amazing! Zibo never flew like this before.so far, IT’S FANTASTIC!
I will test more and report here if I find some issues.
Thank you!
GianfrancoHi All,
today, Zibo released fix 3.33(e) which apparently supports Brunner hardware. In the EFB, as matter of facts, there is an option under hardware settings to enable Brunner yoke. I tried the new release as instructed but with no luck. Zibo beavhoiur hasn’t changed for me. After autopilot is engaged, it banks left and right trying to maintaining course and pitches ups and down trying to staying on VNAV path to finally crashing.
Now another thing I noticed is that the new fix suggests the use of “Brunner CLS software 4.19.0+”. The version I have is 4.14 and I haven’t find any newer version on Brunner portal. Moreover, when I click on check for update, within CLS main window, I get a message saying that my software is up-to-date.
Anybody else is having luck?Thanks,
GianfrancoThank you for replying.
I did not see your profile on the cloud. I guess you are using the other yoke. I am on the NG.
I’ll try to roll back to the J update and see if that makes a difference.About stability settings within XP, I assume that if you use the CS2sim software you should not assign Roll and Pitch axis thru XP.Therefore, it is not relevant since the AVITAb does not see those axis. Besides, I also mentioned that I am not able to calibrate my CLS-E NG thru windows because my roll axis is not recognized. I have to open a ticket to find out why.
Thank you,
Gianfranco
